Be prepared to discuss the following questions in our online discussion:
1. What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
a. Paul pulls from OT texts to paint a total picture: sin is not just a few evil acts but a comprehensive disorder—mind, will, words, and ways are bent; community is harmed; and at the core stands a God-eclipsed self.
2. What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
a. Sin is due to the free choices that we make that is contrary to God’s will for our lives.
3. What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird (wesleyantheology.com)?
a. According to John Wesley, acts of sin can be divided into sins “properly so-called” and sins “improperly so-called.”
Good, Michael. What you described here are two kinds of ACTS of sin – intentional and unintentional. Or as Wesley said “properly so-called” and “improperly so-called”. These acts of sin are shown in Leviticus. The sins that had sacrifices were “sins of error”, things we did not intend to do, for our intentions were to keep and honor God’s law, but we failed in some way. Sense God is perfect, our imperfections are even considered “sins”, but allowed for sacrifices to take care of these. The “intentional sins”, or sins properly so-called, are rebellious acts against God’s law. In Numbers, they are often called “sin with the high hand”, shaking our fists at God. If you intentional broke the Ten Commandments, there were no sacrifices for those sins. One had to “pay the price”. Murderers forfeited their own lives. Adulterers were killed. Thieves had to return what was stolen and extra damages.
Thank God through Christ, both kinds are taken care of in the Cross. We are not held responsible for unintentional sins, but we are expected to put off our intentional rebellion towards God. I think many people misunderstand Wesley on holiness and sanctification because they forget the Bible makes a distinction between unintentional and intentional sins.
Paul is saying that in our rebellious hearts, we stray away from God. At times we put ourselves first and forget about the consequences of sin. Not only the effects in our relationship with God and his will in our lives, but also how it affects others in our lives. As an example I think of Achad in Joshua 7, when he took the garment, gold, and silver. How his sin affected his tribe, clan and family.
2. What is a volitional view of sin?
Sin is born out of fleshly desires, and made out of free will. Rather a human emotion or just a bad choice, fault, or language. What stood out to me in Thorson’s book is when it states that “ the origin of sin, still comes down to the abuse of human freedom”. This shows that our sin is our responsibility and there’s accountability and how we respond.
3. What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird?
The two basic kinds of sin are inherited depravity, which is the corruption of our human nature that we naturally have sinful hearts, and that we have to be shown how to purify. Then there are our acts of scene, how we think, act, talk, and respond.
Good, Corey. You answer is correct on the two basic kinds of sin – inherited depravity and acts of sin that flow from it. Adam’s sin brought corruption to the whole world. Genesis 3-11 is about the spread of sin throughout the world and how God began to deal with it. Abraham is the “turning point”, the beginning of God’s redemption plan, since “Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.” But there is inward corruption in all humanity from which all other acts of sin come from. Some acts are unintentional based on our fallenness, and others are intentional, open rebellion to a known law of God. But both are a result of our corruption and it needs to be dealt with through sanctification.
1. What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
The picture of sin that this passage outlines is Godless and hopeless and without understanding and not seeking God. Even their speech is polluted. Their language is full of hatred and deceit. They are quick to wound and do not even attempt any way of peace. They have no fear of God, not even one.
2. What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
Sinfulness occurs as a freely chosen thought, word, or action. When people exercise their volition in ways that result in evil choices, sin occurs. These choices may have occurred in a variety of ways. For example, anxiety, stress, a betrayal of God or someone else; deviation of or neglect of righteousness and general disobedience toward God. In essence, it is a sin that occurs from the act of one’s free will.
3. What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird (wesleyantheology.com)?
The two basic kinds of sin, according to Bird, are, one, inherent depravity, or original sin, which is the corruption of our nature that incline us toward sinning and, two, the acts of sin that we make by our own choices by freewill.
Good work Sharon. A volitional view of sin show it to be a choice, but since people are corrupted by Adam’s sin, they have no choice but to sin. Only those who have accepted Jesus’ atonement by faith are freed from the power of sin over them. For believers, they have a choice to sin or not, but for the godless, sin is an absolute given. This is the view that Romans 1 gives us – humanity was completely “given over” to the power of sin.
I am terribly sorry for the late discussion post, I have been quite busy this week.
1. What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
Paul paints a picture of sin that is not just a passive apathy to God, but a true rebellion. He describes sin as a vipers poison on our lips, as what makes us quick to spill blood. He tells how it effects us totally, that there is not even one without sin, and from that sin we forsake God and his ways, no longer knowing peace or the fear of God.
2. What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
The volitional view of sin in the understanding that sin is not just something that happens to us, or that we do by accident or happenstance. When we sin, we are choosing with full volition to turn away from God, and instead to our own way. We are solely, fully, and entirely culpable and accountable for the sins we commit as we choose to do them with the free will God has given us.
3.What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird?
The two kinds of sin are original sin and actual sin, then further broken into proper and improper actual sin. Original sin is the corrupted nature we receive through Adam’s sin, that leads us to desire what wrong and evil as our natural state, although we do not inherit Adam’s actual sin. Actual sin are the sins of which we commit personally and are to our account, both proper sins that we choose to commit and improper sins which were committed unintentionally without desire or will to sin.
Good, Jackson. There are sins that fall short of God’s perfection, and are often called “unintentional”. We are limited in our human knowledge. We are weakened by diseases. We say or do things from a lack of judgment. These things are still sin because they fall short of God’s perfection. But they are “unintentional” and we are not held responsible. Rebellious, intentional sin is what God holds us responsible for. They are done by choice. but a godless person will choose that sin every time. Thank God through Chrsit we can be freed from those sins and enabled to choose Him over sin. He then begins the work of sanctifying us.
1.What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
Not one person is better than another. There is no peace and hope outside of God. These people are miserable because they follow themselves by giving others lies and curses and are full of bitterness.
2.What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
God gave us freedom to choose to follow Him or not, and the choices we make will determine how well our lives will go; follow Jesus and spend eternity with Him or burn in hell.
3.What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird (wesleyantheology.com)?
Inherited depravity, which makes us want to sin and the acts of sin to follow through with our rebellion against God.
Hey everyone, I wanted to share my contact information in case anyone would like to chat or discuss. Also, if anyone would like to pray together. Cory Weston 704-500-6367
Be prepared to discuss the following questions in our online discussion:
1. What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
a. Paul pulls from OT texts to paint a total picture: sin is not just a few evil acts but a comprehensive disorder—mind, will, words, and ways are bent; community is harmed; and at the core stands a God-eclipsed self.
2. What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
a. Sin is due to the free choices that we make that is contrary to God’s will for our lives.
3. What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird (wesleyantheology.com)?
a. According to John Wesley, acts of sin can be divided into sins “properly so-called” and sins “improperly so-called.”
Good, Michael. What you described here are two kinds of ACTS of sin – intentional and unintentional. Or as Wesley said “properly so-called” and “improperly so-called”. These acts of sin are shown in Leviticus. The sins that had sacrifices were “sins of error”, things we did not intend to do, for our intentions were to keep and honor God’s law, but we failed in some way. Sense God is perfect, our imperfections are even considered “sins”, but allowed for sacrifices to take care of these. The “intentional sins”, or sins properly so-called, are rebellious acts against God’s law. In Numbers, they are often called “sin with the high hand”, shaking our fists at God. If you intentional broke the Ten Commandments, there were no sacrifices for those sins. One had to “pay the price”. Murderers forfeited their own lives. Adulterers were killed. Thieves had to return what was stolen and extra damages.
Thank God through Christ, both kinds are taken care of in the Cross. We are not held responsible for unintentional sins, but we are expected to put off our intentional rebellion towards God. I think many people misunderstand Wesley on holiness and sanctification because they forget the Bible makes a distinction between unintentional and intentional sins.
What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
Paul is saying that in our rebellious hearts, we stray away from God. At times we put ourselves first and forget about the consequences of sin. Not only the effects in our relationship with God and his will in our lives, but also how it affects others in our lives. As an example I think of Achad in Joshua 7, when he took the garment, gold, and silver. How his sin affected his tribe, clan and family.
2. What is a volitional view of sin?
Sin is born out of fleshly desires, and made out of free will. Rather a human emotion or just a bad choice, fault, or language. What stood out to me in Thorson’s book is when it states that “ the origin of sin, still comes down to the abuse of human freedom”. This shows that our sin is our responsibility and there’s accountability and how we respond.
3. What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird?
The two basic kinds of sin are inherited depravity, which is the corruption of our human nature that we naturally have sinful hearts, and that we have to be shown how to purify. Then there are our acts of scene, how we think, act, talk, and respond.
Good, Corey. You answer is correct on the two basic kinds of sin – inherited depravity and acts of sin that flow from it. Adam’s sin brought corruption to the whole world. Genesis 3-11 is about the spread of sin throughout the world and how God began to deal with it. Abraham is the “turning point”, the beginning of God’s redemption plan, since “Abraham believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness.” But there is inward corruption in all humanity from which all other acts of sin come from. Some acts are unintentional based on our fallenness, and others are intentional, open rebellion to a known law of God. But both are a result of our corruption and it needs to be dealt with through sanctification.
I agree about putting ourselves first. It’s too easy to focus on ourselves, especially when it comes to getting what we want.
1. What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
The picture of sin that this passage outlines is Godless and hopeless and without understanding and not seeking God. Even their speech is polluted. Their language is full of hatred and deceit. They are quick to wound and do not even attempt any way of peace. They have no fear of God, not even one.
2. What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
Sinfulness occurs as a freely chosen thought, word, or action. When people exercise their volition in ways that result in evil choices, sin occurs. These choices may have occurred in a variety of ways. For example, anxiety, stress, a betrayal of God or someone else; deviation of or neglect of righteousness and general disobedience toward God. In essence, it is a sin that occurs from the act of one’s free will.
3. What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird (wesleyantheology.com)?
The two basic kinds of sin, according to Bird, are, one, inherent depravity, or original sin, which is the corruption of our nature that incline us toward sinning and, two, the acts of sin that we make by our own choices by freewill.
Good work Sharon. A volitional view of sin show it to be a choice, but since people are corrupted by Adam’s sin, they have no choice but to sin. Only those who have accepted Jesus’ atonement by faith are freed from the power of sin over them. For believers, they have a choice to sin or not, but for the godless, sin is an absolute given. This is the view that Romans 1 gives us – humanity was completely “given over” to the power of sin.
I agree the people in Romans are so full of anger and bitterness that they only care about themselves.
I am terribly sorry for the late discussion post, I have been quite busy this week.
1. What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
Paul paints a picture of sin that is not just a passive apathy to God, but a true rebellion. He describes sin as a vipers poison on our lips, as what makes us quick to spill blood. He tells how it effects us totally, that there is not even one without sin, and from that sin we forsake God and his ways, no longer knowing peace or the fear of God.
2. What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
The volitional view of sin in the understanding that sin is not just something that happens to us, or that we do by accident or happenstance. When we sin, we are choosing with full volition to turn away from God, and instead to our own way. We are solely, fully, and entirely culpable and accountable for the sins we commit as we choose to do them with the free will God has given us.
3.What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird?
The two kinds of sin are original sin and actual sin, then further broken into proper and improper actual sin. Original sin is the corrupted nature we receive through Adam’s sin, that leads us to desire what wrong and evil as our natural state, although we do not inherit Adam’s actual sin. Actual sin are the sins of which we commit personally and are to our account, both proper sins that we choose to commit and improper sins which were committed unintentionally without desire or will to sin.
Good, Jackson. There are sins that fall short of God’s perfection, and are often called “unintentional”. We are limited in our human knowledge. We are weakened by diseases. We say or do things from a lack of judgment. These things are still sin because they fall short of God’s perfection. But they are “unintentional” and we are not held responsible. Rebellious, intentional sin is what God holds us responsible for. They are done by choice. but a godless person will choose that sin every time. Thank God through Chrsit we can be freed from those sins and enabled to choose Him over sin. He then begins the work of sanctifying us.
1.What picture of sin does Romans 3:10-18 present?
Not one person is better than another. There is no peace and hope outside of God. These people are miserable because they follow themselves by giving others lies and curses and are full of bitterness.
2.What is a volitional view of sin (Thorsen)?
God gave us freedom to choose to follow Him or not, and the choices we make will determine how well our lives will go; follow Jesus and spend eternity with Him or burn in hell.
3.What are the two basic kinds of sin according to Bird (wesleyantheology.com)?
Inherited depravity, which makes us want to sin and the acts of sin to follow through with our rebellion against God.
Hey everyone, I wanted to share my contact information in case anyone would like to chat or discuss. Also, if anyone would like to pray together. Cory Weston 704-500-6367
That’s great Cory. We definitely need to pray for each other. Let me know if anyone hear needs prayer.